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Subject:huh, updates in general
Time:10:35 am
gabigabs is gone although her community commoncircle is still alive and seems to be doing well with 41 members and active posts. Good going. I haven't really been checking it out but I hope things are good for them

__wicca_haven__ is still going created by lirielnightrose. They have a very small membership and don't seem to be very active.

Anything else going on? I was thinking of cleaning my flist and since this isn't very active...?
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Subject:about 10 days to go
Time:06:45 pm
no re-appearances yet?

everyone consumed by new trolls & snark? ;)


from the poll... 12/18 wanted this comm to stick around without any serious changes (possibly a new mission/direction, since 6/18 wanted that)

and I was the only person who replied "I hate you" ;P
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Subject:it's a poll...
Time:10:49 pm
POLL -- COMMUNITY DIRECTION -- MEMBERS VOTE -- karlthepagan can read your votesCollapse )
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Subject:breaking news....
Time:02:02 pm
I've joined momentarily to announce that wiccans_unite has just been deleted. It was up this morning, so this is VERY recent.
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Subject:gabigab
Time:08:22 pm
If you want to make a community, it is usually a bad idea to drag another communty thread into yours as a first topic.

It looks all you are doing is tthe same thing you say you do not want to do, that is to troll.

as for Initiation. Have you looked up the word. What is the definition.

By the word alone, you cannot initiate yourself, you can dedicate yourself, but you need another person to initiate you into a tradition.
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Subject:Oh gyarsh, check this out:
Time:06:41 pm
Current Mood:Oh, brother
Ok, yes, the last time I came in here....well, let's just not go there LoL

I just saw a post by atah, "argh"ing about how she was banned simply because she has bukyou on her friends list. That made me want to tell about this:

Ok, it was what, a month ago when I came in here and....well shit, y'all probably remember that fun (so VERY sorry, I might add) And, a month ago, I was given the other side of the history of wiccans_untie by karlthepagan in my own comm, __wicca_haven__

Well (sorry for all these rabbit trails), since my phone was shut off a few weeks ago, I've had to check email and such on the comps at the library and I found this email today from a certain Raven Myst (btw, I'm sorry if this just makes me seem like a back stabber, but since she's decided to whine about this after a month since this all happened, I can't help but feel annoyed):

I always wondered why you never joined my community after I so willingly joined yours. I thought our causes were so alike. I left the wiccan community because I got tired of being told I was wrong.

Then I took the time to read in your community that you have chosen to believe what the members of the lart community wiccans_untie have told you. Just for the record, they are incorrect in their 'facts.' Nothing was copied by me from the wiccan community info page. I am a talented and published auhor and didn't need to do this. My material is authentic (mine or the material of community members used with their permission) and permission for the use of pics and factual pieces found on wiccans_unite info page have been granted. I filed my compaint against wiccans_untie because they stole from me. I did not steal from anyone. The attorney that I have on retainer (works with me and my publisher) advised me on this. LJ made them remove their info because it was stolen. LJ never made me change a thing because it was not found that I had done anything wrong. The BTW over in wiccans_untie still to this day will not leave my peaceful community alone and we are constantly getting inindated with trolls because of them.

Because of all of the unpleasantness concerning my starting my own community (because I wanted to be left alone and give oher wiccans and pagans a place to not be bothered), I am now considering leaving wicca and paganism all together. There is too much backstabbing, disrespect and unkindness that radiates from people that claim to be practicioners of these faiths. This does not necessarily apply to you as an individual, it's just that I thought you understood where I was coming from. I thought you were a friend. It shouldn't be asking too much to be able to practice my religion in peace, yet your new friends just won't leave me and my community alone. We've never done any harm to them. I don't see why they feel threatened by me.

Anyway, I just hoped to feel welcomed into wicca haven. Now I just feel alienated. Should I leave wicca haven?

Raven



Granted, I know I've felt like her a time or two where it concerns interacting with other Pagans and Wiccans, but I still keep at it. Also, little lass should get it in her head that in every religion, be it Christianity or Bhuddism, there's gonna be assholes and hypocrites (and no, I'm not calling anyone in here that). That's just life.

But come on. First, it's been a month since all this shit. I'll probably just have to tell her the same thing that seshen told me when I came in here and made an ass out of myself: If this still upsets her to where she can't even get over it after all this time, then maybe she's not very secure in her own beliefs (Filly paraphrase, mind you, but y'all get the gist).

Anyway, I'm going to go now. I hope to Goddess that my phone gets turned back on in the next couple of weeks.

P.S. Concerning the idiotic post I made in here last time: I didn't disable the comment thing because I didn't want y'all to be able to speak your piece or anything like that. I'd just gotten tired of seeing my Yahoo inbox flooded everytime I signed in. Sorry about that. Peace ^_^
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Subject:suprized?
Time:09:53 pm
Wiccans Unite moderator still holds personal vendetta.
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Subject:For wiccans_unite bannees
Time:08:33 pm
Current Mood:feverishly creative
Ok, I'm bored....and feverish with flu.

Ok, so I'm not the best at making graphicsCollapse )
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Subject:I Have Been Banned ...
Time:05:10 pm
Current Mood:disgruntled
... from wiccans_unite . I didn't even get a chance to post anything (and I had a good, nonflamable question to post too) :o( Perhaps I should make an 'I got banned for befriending the wrong person' avatar. :oP~~~ to them!

--Phae
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Subject:To Wiccans_Unite
Time:07:36 pm
You know if you paid any real attention to this group you would see we have more important things to do then send anyone to you for "fun".

We love pointing out your hypocrisy of "Tolerant Wiccans and Pagans" yet you ban anyone who may be a friend or just watching this community.

You are nothing but spoiled little children who do not seem to understand the stupidity in which you have embroiled yourselves. One has to wonder what a community that is open to all pagans and wiccans truly is like if they ban certain pagans and wiccans for being friends with certain people or expressing opinions about certain things.

If you truly wanted to learn you would not be banning people.

I pity you for you will gain no knowledge but false knowledge, which will only get you hurt.

sad.
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Time:10:00 am
Since my comment got deleted from wiccans_unite, I thought I would repost it here for posterity:


I was banned, I never argued with anyone, and didn't join "the other community." According to your co-moderator, I was banned because I have bukyou on my friends list.

As suggested in the responses to my inquiry to your co-mods journal (since when I commented, there was no way to reach you), I read your information page. I still don't understand why I was banned, I didn't break any of your rules.

That ban has apparently been removed, but the whole situation is and was unacceptable for someone claiming to be open minded and accepting of everyone. At the very least, you owe me an apology.


Their reply was:
The community was closed for a time while we were getting innindated with trolls (usually people who were friends of the community members that chose to immaturly mock my community). If the bad has been removed, then there really isn't anything for you to be upset about. Join if you want.

I can accept a lot of things, but unwarrented attacks aginst me and my community are unacceptable. In addition, anyone who supports those that are attacking us has to realize that guilt by association is a fact of life and I will not tolerate people joining this community in order to take our discussions over to the mock community just so they cab have a good time poking fun of and ridiculing us.

I do not owe you anything. If you cannot deal with that then you may not want to join wiccans_unite. I do what I feel is necessary in order to protect my community. If that means banning people that may harm the peacefullness of my community, then so be it.

-------


I have, of course, since quit the community. She's welcome to reban me, as I'm sure she avidly reads this community and gets all riled up with delusional righteous fury every time someone posts.
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Subject:Aww, such a lovely example of "tolerance"
Time:11:34 pm
Current Mood:amused
You have decided that you would rather join a community that mocks us. Sorry, but I don't see the point of allowing you to stay on your membership list if you dislike this community so much as to feel the need to mock it.

So insecure. Can't handle members who might be interested in hearing both sides of an argument... if they want to see what wiccans_untie people are saying in their locked posts, they can't join your list. Note that *this* list is open membership, and unmoderated. (Annoyances may be deleted... but they'll get *seen* first.)

And you have rules... which will be decided by whim, and enforced only when you want them to, and not mentioned on the info page. (Nowhere does it say that membership in your group will be contingent on having a friendslist that _raven_myst_ approves of.) And of course, you tolerate *all* forms of paganism and wicca... except the ones that claim your form isn't very good. You don't tolerate trads that have standards, or ones that think a witch should learn to separate facts from fantasy.

(The graves of those burned in Salem... that's terrific. I'll giggle over that for *years.* If they were burned, what was buried?)

I do notice that the mods at wiccans_unite are consistently unwilling to state *exactly* what the violations were... it's all about "I feel you're too argumentative;" never a specific quote or paragraph. They can't tell what's being said that breaks any of their rules--and they don't want to scare off their other members by letting them know exactly how arbitrary those rules are--so they fall back on generalities. (Of course, one of the mods is not actually modding; she's just there to "help out." Exactly what's involved in "helping," and why someone would want to help an anti-trad bigot like ravenmyst, are left unstated.)

Being "too argumentative" means "_raven_myst_ doesn't like what you said." There are no standards in her community, because there are no standards in her Wicca.

And, of course, she shows her insecurity by instantly assuming any member of both groups is there to mock her group, not to spy on this one for possible ToS violations hidden under a friendslock. Because in her heart, she knows that anyone with that much cleverness wouldn't be interested in her brand of pseudo-Wiccan self-righteousness.
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Subject:History history history
Time:10:37 am
Here's a bit about our history. (re-posted from __wicca_haven__)


You'll notice I read silvertree's journal so naturally I hear about some of the wiccan trouble-makers and blow-ups. One of those was the creation of wiccans_unite.

IIRC, the community was created after a heated debate on BTW etc vs pop-Wicca. wiccans_unite litterally copied wiccan's info, rules, and even interests (to this day much evidence remains) when the community was created. So I did exactly the same thing when I created wiccans_untie, but with the original author's permission. It was meant simply to be an example of what a rip-off wiccans_unite was. I updated it and marked in red where some new info was added or words were changed to hide the plagurism.

However _raven_myst_ made a copyright complaint and because of some recent legislation and the way that livejournal chooses to enforce it, the process of filing a false claim is quite easy and much more of a hassle for the defendee than for the complatant. In the end a few people gelled around wiccans_untie and it has become a refuge for all the victims of _raven_myst_'s banning and threadlocking and it apparently bothers her much more than wiccans_unite bothers silvertree.

....

more? well of course I posted about this comm privately in my own journal and a few of my friends were attacked after relating to the hypocrisy in their own journal... the rest is here ;)
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Subject:ok, I lied
Time:03:57 pm
your posts get deleted when you squelch other people's voices here

I have lirielnightrose's rant, email for archive.
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Subject:Oh, just some thots
Time:11:00 am
Current Mood:amused
From the recent wiccans_unite post. (Heh. Notice that her info page still says she's open to "Wiccans and pagans of all traditions," but apparently that doesn't mean "wiccans and pagans whose traditions teach that some people are delusional.") Of course, she's still to scared to open her list membership to anyone she hasn't carefully screened to match her prejudices, and she doesn't want any comments from non-members. Her interest in communication and learning is limited to people who already share her bigotry.

She sez:
6) There is no right or wrong way to practicing Wicca.

and then in response to a reply, basically agreeing but adding, "Within limits,"

there is no right or wrong way to practice (There is no 'within limits' about it. People have a right to personalize their religious beliefs and feel comfortable with their own spirituality. There is no law against this. This is the purpose behind the religious freedoms that we enjoy.

Aww, how sweet. So if someone's version of Wicca involves drugged orgies, that's still Wicca to her. And if another person's version of Wicca involves monthly blood offerings to the High Priest, that's also fine. And if someone else prays to Jesus to forgive him, and whips himself into a frenzy with a scourge, and calls it Wicca, that's also a correct way to practice Wicca.

After all, we've got to accept that Wicca evolves, right? Wicca means doing whatever you like, as long as you call it Wicca. (And, of course, not lashing out at others. That's the only *REAL* measure of being Wiccan. Or pagan. 'Cos we all know those ancient Celts, Romans, and Norse never lashed out at anyone.)
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Time:09:03 am
Well I had noticed a while back that the [info]wiccans_unite group was gone and when I noticed that I also noticed that it was no longer on my friends list. It really was gone. Now that it is back up again she has posted in the first post or so that she has found out who the spy was and they have been banned.

I am no longer in the group as far as I can tell...I am still looking for myself though, I have asked her I was banned we will see. I have never done anything bad against her group nor have I made awful posts about or anything!!!! I wonder if I am the one who was banned? Just because of who my friends are. I know I am on her BLACK list at least...but COME ON.
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Subject:Hello
Time:09:00 pm
Thought I would come in and say hello. I guess the wiccans_unite group has spontaniously combusted huh?
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Time:06:05 pm
Message board is enabled. Have fun :D

wiccans_unite has pretty much stagnated. If you guys think this community has a future purpose beyond mocking wiccans_untie let me know.

My life caught up with me and I haven't filed the counter-notification. Everything's lined up somewhere in my notes for me to go ahead and file it.
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Subject:Oh, Look...
Time:02:35 pm
Current Mood:amused
wiccans_unite is back open...but screening new members until they can be determined by the Politbur...er...powers that be that they have the right type of comments and thoughts for an open group that welcomes everyone.

*SNORT*
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Subject:Amusing animation dissing pagan wannabes--sort of
Time:11:39 pm
Current Mood:amused
amusing animation. WARNING: resizes your browser window.

Gakked from raveno.
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Subject:Info page?
Time:11:54 am
Hey Karl--can you put the info back on the info page yet?

And are you willing to switch the journal to allow comments, so we can actually have conversations here? I know that we've got dot_pagan_snark and templeofthecat to get bitchy in, but those are both general... this could wind up being a specifically LJ-oriented snark community. I'm sure there are several pretentious pagan "communities" that are actually just private clubs for the moderator to support their own prejudices.

Looks like wiccans_unite is down to 25 members, even with 4 new ones... and one of those 25 is deleted. Such incredible paranoia. Closed community, no comments from non-members... yeah, she wants real conversations & free thought. Riiiiight.

(I'm still banned. It's been well over a week. Of course, this makes _emerald_rose a liar. But we knew that already.)
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Subject:9LMM
Time:03:26 pm
Current Mood:amused
For those of you who haven't seen Nine Lives Many Masters, you may want to start all the way at the beginning, after you've seen this week's strip.

Currently it's here, but once it's not current it will probably be here...

I think for all Pagans, this strip should be, ah, required Rede-ing...
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Subject:Jet: yah
Time:12:20 pm
Oh yes wiccans unite is such a powerful and experienced group that is why they dont allow people with actual knowledge and experience in and ban all dissenting opinion....

muahahahahahah

I read that there, and about died laughing.
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Subject:Irony Alert
Time:01:57 pm
Current Mood:amused
I thought you would all enjoy this quote I found.

"And this is what comes from dabbling; I mean you can't practice witchcraft while you look down your nose at it."

-- Aunt Jet, Practical Magic

I love it.

***

And you can *ALL* guess where I ganked *that* little jewel from. *SNORT*
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Subject:Check in
Time:02:37 am
How's it going? Any word on the legalese situation, and can the info go back up on the info page?

Pondering random ideasCollapse )
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Subject:update
Time:12:04 pm
Family emergency this weekend. I'll get to the counter-notification when I can (this week).
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Subject:Predictions about Wiccans_Unite
Time:03:49 pm
Current Mood:whoops! wrong journal!
... are in my Livejournal. I'd meant to post them here, but hey, this way I could get replies.
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Subject:Name meaning
Time:03:28 pm
Current Mood:cynical
Does raven myst's name mean she's a bird in an old Win3.1 video game?
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Subject:Her own damn fault
Time:03:07 pm
she is such a hyprocrite that she is driving away people unless they bow down to her...

wiccans_unite members you are being lied to, time to wake up and smell the jump ship... _emerald_rose er i mean _raven_myst_ (such an unoriginal person its hard to keep her name straight> is nothing but a tyrant who bans anyone who disagrees with her fluffy white light world of wicca.

She bans those who have actual knowledge of wicca... how much does she really want to learn? Ask yourself, why she banned someone who was BTW, who actually had some knowledge? or why she banned elfwreck who could have led you all to some good knowledge... hmmm hmmm?
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Subject:To _raven_myst_: I would like an apology.
Time:08:48 am
I would like you to apologise to those whom you have decieved.

Please post to wiccans_untie, an apology. This post must
include: an apology to silvertree, and an admission that at
the time you created wiccans_unite the user info you used was
not your own original work.

If it makes you feel any better you can apologize to me too, but if your
pride prevents that then I won't force you to do so...

(this was also sent to the email address I know she has as a paid user)
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Subject:Finally!
Time:08:24 am
I've been in contact with several members of wiccans_unite and now have two current members there feeding me the locked posts... I'll re-post all of them here (locked, of course) to wiccans_untie as I get them.
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Subject:Member count
Time:08:14 am
Wiccans UNIte member count: 26
Wiccans UnTIE member count: 24

I can't do a "posts per hour" thing since they could have a bunch of private ones.
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Subject:You know what I'm reminded of?
Time:06:43 am
Remember in first grade, how there's always at least one kid who says, "If you're friends with so-and-so, you can't be *my* friend"?

It seems like this is exactly what mindless_twit atoli _raven_myst_ is doing with her little "kick off everyone who's on wiccans_untie" fit.

Last time I checked, though, we were grown ups. And the first grader, in this case, claims to be in her 30's. Guess she never emotionally aged past first grade, though.
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Time:09:36 am
Current Mood:disappointed
well I've joined the banned list.... I never even freaking posted there and only posted once here.... I was willing to be open to there ideas and now she's done nothing but prove everything ya'll have said.... way to go!
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Subject:Ping: SonicWylde
Time:06:30 am
Didn't you get the memo? _raven_myst, or whatever name she's decided to rip off this week, doesn't want a group. She wants a personality cult (which is rather hard, when you don't have much of a personality) and a group of mindless sycophants to nod at her every word.
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Subject:heheh
Time:02:57 am
excessive number of trolls?

doesnt a troll actually have to post something? how can one be a troll if one does not disrupt posting? so people are watching her community and commenting... she brought it upon herself with the hypocrisy that is so rampant among her community.

_raven_myst_ you need to learn that you act like a jerk, you will be called to task for it.
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Subject:*snark*
Time:02:10 am
So much for being all-tolerant and accepting, and all welcoming.

Now, wiccans_unite is a closed community.

Maybe whatever_the_rabid_bunny is calling herself this week needs to learn what the DMCA is. And maybe she should realize that it is *not* okay to be a click-happy freak and just take things for use, whether credit remains or not. It's the permission that counts.

Why, oh, why can't stupidity be painful?
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Subject:Muffin exists. Sort of.
Time:11:31 pm
Muffin is apparently the nickname of unraveled_now, whose post at http://www.livejournal.com/community/wiccans_unite/12630.html contains the poem on the front page.

Our most illustrious _emerald_rose oops _raven_myst_ maybe didn't realize that the word in the icon is not necessarily the username.
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Subject:muffin is not even a member of the community
Time:11:23 pm
she is not even listed... so maybe we should ya know... let someone know
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Subject:giggle
Time:08:54 pm
the latest post in wiccans_unite explains why the former _emerald_rose changed her named to _raven_myst_ and how things are changed on the above mentioned community to reflect "our community" and "no one forced me"

methinks someone is protesting way to much about "noone forcing me"
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Time:10:25 pm
Current Mood:mischievous
Hello, new here. Am a member of wiccan, wiccans_unite, and now here. I've had my problems with silvertree before but really don't have a problem with how she runs her community. Every community needs a set of definitions to use within those boundries even if I don't exactly believe they are right for everyone. But since I haven't been banned yet I'll try to keep you informed on what's going on over there locked.... then again I may be doing the same for then so ;-)
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Subject:Quandry
Time:06:41 pm
The Livejournal abuse team has put me in a very bad spot. It forces me to write a more limited counter-notification. A less careful person might have made a false statement by now.

They will not tell me the location the complaintant (presumedly _emerald_rose, a Miss Dusich if her photobucket account indicates a name, tho they haven't told me that either) said the work that I have copied exists.

Without a public statement from silvertree (the current one is screened, which could be interpreted as a retracted statement) I cannot make a good faith statement that I have rights to use the info for wiccan here.

Without knowing for certain that the complaint is for the user info at wiccans_unite (although it is VERY likely) I cannot claim that the "original" work lacks copyright documentation.

As there have been several posts deleted at wiccans_unite I only have hear-say to show who the complaint is from and argue that they do not have the rights to the material.

I am reduced to arguing primarily that the complaint was filed incorrectly, and list the other ones with various caveats. That's my plan for now.
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Subject:ATTENTION
Time:01:43 pm
I haven't yet complained about _emerald_rose aka _raven_myst_. I didn't get the account removed, but perhaps it had something to do with the trademark that was her name?
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Subject:The "censored" portions
Time:11:04 am
Elf: LJ Abuse instructed me to take down my summary / transcript of the abuse complaint against me.

I know that I should have full rights to re-post MY CORRESPONDENCE TO THEM anywhere I like, but I'm not going to risk getting banned from LJ when I have bigger fish to fry.
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Subject:The originality keeps rolling in.
Time:09:00 am
Current Mood:amused
_raven_myst_ yeah right. There's already a ravenmyst, raven_myst, and a ravenmist. If she wants something original wiccanfluff isn't taken.
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Subject:heheh
Time:07:13 am
I did send an email to the Fritz :-) to let them know about the use of the graphic.

I figured a community so worried about others copying them would be happy to know someone was worried about them copying others.
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Subject:Too funny!
Time:06:25 pm
Current Mood:predatory
Apparently, enyosthoughts has been kicked from wiccans_unite, as well. So, apparently, a journal does not have to be a member here to be kicked from that oh, so accepting community of hypocrittes and copyright violators.

Go figure.

Oh, and blackthornglade, haven't they *been* a moderated community?

Hmph. Accepting of everyone, my ass. Should read "accepting of everyone, except for those we disagree with." It would be a bit more honest. But, then again, considering the original info page and the icon, I guess _emerald_rose wouldn't know anything about that.
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Subject:Lying makes baby bunnies cry
Time:04:30 pm
_emerald_rose "The removal of my original work"

oh? Is this your original work?

Looking at the poll, members of wiccans_untie are split 5/6 wether or not I should take action on _emerald_rose's lying.
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Subject:Stollman wow
Time:01:01 pm
you were allowed to rejoin... amazing, I got "you are banned from joining this community" even though I never did anything that could be considered "trouble making".
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Subject:just another data point...
Time:01:00 pm
I joined this community last night when I first learned of it; I then immediately joined wiccans_unite as well because I like to see both sides of a debate.

This morning, I have been booted from wiccans_unite. I have not posted or made any comments there; I haven't even posted here on wiccans_untie until this one.

Hmph.

Because I'm stubborn (and easily amused) I went ahead and re-joined. ;-)
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