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Time:07:36 pm
You know if you paid any real attention to this group you would see we have more important things to do then send anyone to you for "fun".

We love pointing out your hypocrisy of "Tolerant Wiccans and Pagans" yet you ban anyone who may be a friend or just watching this community.

You are nothing but spoiled little children who do not seem to understand the stupidity in which you have embroiled yourselves. One has to wonder what a community that is open to all pagans and wiccans truly is like if they ban certain pagans and wiccans for being friends with certain people or expressing opinions about certain things.

If you truly wanted to learn you would not be banning people.

I pity you for you will gain no knowledge but false knowledge, which will only get you hurt.

sad.
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babspace
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Time:2005-02-09 12:06 am (UTC)
Exactly how is "neo-wicca" degrading? The eclectic and solitary versions of Wicca *are* newer than the traditional forms, yes? So, tell me, how can it be degrading to be called "New Wicca"?

I don't find it degrading in as much as I feel it's sometimes inaccurately applied.

For example, I am studying Seax-Wica, a tradition that is about half the age of the Gardnerian trad, was created by former Gardnerian Raymond Buckland and, I believe, is one of the first to allow solitary practitioners. Seax-Wica is not Neo-Wicca. It is a valid tradition. Yet by your definition any solitary Seax-Wican should be considered Neo-Wiccan, which would be incorrect.

I seem to recall hearing of other trads that are now allowing solitaries into their ranks.

Now, as I said I am studying this tradition. I haven't as of yet dedicated to it. So, for the time being I am a Neo-Wiccan, even if I do feel the term to be rather silly (Wicca is, after all only 50 years old).
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lkrobinson
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Time:2005-02-09 12:22 am (UTC)
See what I mean: Seax-Wica is not Neo-Wicca. It is a valid tradition.

The statement implies that Neo-Wicca is not valid. The term to me feels like it is just used to group "non-real" wiccans together because the "real" wiccans aren't secure enough in their faith to allow the new ones to call themselves Wiccan as well.

Shesh, I'm glad that I'm not the only one on here that thinks it's a silly term.
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lkrobinson
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Time:2005-02-09 12:17 am (UTC)
"Neo-wicca" would be fine if Wicca had been created longer ago then it was. The term doesn't apply in the same way that Neo-Pagan does. One makes sense from a historical point- the other just makes it harder on solitaries to find their own way. I don't want to be shoved into a catagory called neo-wicca because to me that catagory includes people like the Raven-doggie and other such weirdos that I would rather not be associated with.

It is degrading to be labled arbitrarily. I can lable myself much more specifically by using descriptors that are not "neo" in front of Wicca. I have a strong bias against that particular term because I feel that it is inaccurate. The basic problem I have with the term is that I think it is way too soon for a Neo Wicca to be coming up. We are still in the early developing stages of Wicca itself. It's a religion and no one group owns it. If in 200 years a new form of Wicca came about then maybe it could be called neo...or you know what? If one wanted to call the "love and light" only Wiccans Neo because it is more heavily influenced by new age practices then what I do that would be fine. For myself I'd probably lable myself Celtic, or Eclectic with a strong Celtic base. I focus on the seasons, balance and the mysteries. For these reasons I don't think the term neo applies.

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sonicwylde
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Time:2005-02-09 12:30 am (UTC)
If you are new to wicca you are neo-wicca plain and simple. If you join and established trad and are still new you are a neophyte. Deal.
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lkrobinson
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Time:2005-02-09 02:12 am (UTC)
First of all I think you misunderstood the term. All people who are new to Wicca cannot be neowiccans how it is being used here...people who join trads in this case would not be called neowiccan. Uhh...she was labeling the type of wicca not how long you were in it. Otherwise how long would you have to be practicing to be just wiccan? I've been practicing since I was covered in fuzz. ...but that's besides the point since you're using the term wrong.

And even if you were ri ght...you can say I am anything you want but unless I agree most of the people around me will listen to me- not you the unknown, unsubstantiated internet voice. So deal with that. You don't have the power to tell people what they are religiously.
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sonicwylde
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Time:2005-02-09 03:15 am (UTC)
New trad initiates are called Neophytes.
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lkrobinson
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Time:2005-02-09 01:07 am (UTC)
Ok, here's a question. What if someone from a trad taught me, but did not initiate me?
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lkrobinson
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Time:2005-02-09 02:14 am (UTC)
What about the many people whom I'm sure are disrespectful and violate their oaths after some political mess or other goes down? I'm just asking, I want your opinion. With so many factions do you think this never happens?
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lkrobinson
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Time:2005-02-09 02:50 am (UTC)
O-kay.
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