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Time:07:36 pm
You know if you paid any real attention to this group you would see we have more important things to do then send anyone to you for "fun".

We love pointing out your hypocrisy of "Tolerant Wiccans and Pagans" yet you ban anyone who may be a friend or just watching this community.

You are nothing but spoiled little children who do not seem to understand the stupidity in which you have embroiled yourselves. One has to wonder what a community that is open to all pagans and wiccans truly is like if they ban certain pagans and wiccans for being friends with certain people or expressing opinions about certain things.

If you truly wanted to learn you would not be banning people.

I pity you for you will gain no knowledge but false knowledge, which will only get you hurt.

sad.
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lkrobinson
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Time:2005-02-09 12:17 am (UTC)
"Neo-wicca" would be fine if Wicca had been created longer ago then it was. The term doesn't apply in the same way that Neo-Pagan does. One makes sense from a historical point- the other just makes it harder on solitaries to find their own way. I don't want to be shoved into a catagory called neo-wicca because to me that catagory includes people like the Raven-doggie and other such weirdos that I would rather not be associated with.

It is degrading to be labled arbitrarily. I can lable myself much more specifically by using descriptors that are not "neo" in front of Wicca. I have a strong bias against that particular term because I feel that it is inaccurate. The basic problem I have with the term is that I think it is way too soon for a Neo Wicca to be coming up. We are still in the early developing stages of Wicca itself. It's a religion and no one group owns it. If in 200 years a new form of Wicca came about then maybe it could be called neo...or you know what? If one wanted to call the "love and light" only Wiccans Neo because it is more heavily influenced by new age practices then what I do that would be fine. For myself I'd probably lable myself Celtic, or Eclectic with a strong Celtic base. I focus on the seasons, balance and the mysteries. For these reasons I don't think the term neo applies.

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sonicwylde
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Time:2005-02-09 12:30 am (UTC)
If you are new to wicca you are neo-wicca plain and simple. If you join and established trad and are still new you are a neophyte. Deal.
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lkrobinson
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Time:2005-02-09 02:12 am (UTC)
First of all I think you misunderstood the term. All people who are new to Wicca cannot be neowiccans how it is being used here...people who join trads in this case would not be called neowiccan. Uhh...she was labeling the type of wicca not how long you were in it. Otherwise how long would you have to be practicing to be just wiccan? I've been practicing since I was covered in fuzz. ...but that's besides the point since you're using the term wrong.

And even if you were ri ght...you can say I am anything you want but unless I agree most of the people around me will listen to me- not you the unknown, unsubstantiated internet voice. So deal with that. You don't have the power to tell people what they are religiously.
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sonicwylde
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Time:2005-02-09 03:15 am (UTC)
New trad initiates are called Neophytes.
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beltainelady
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Time:2005-02-09 12:40 am (UTC)
. I focus on the seasons, balance and the mysteries. For these reasons I don't think the term neo applies.

All well and good...however, how can you be certain that the mysteries you're focusing on are the same as those worked within Traditional covens? Unless you've been initiated, you can't. Just because the the Wicca we've become to know isn't hundreds of years old doesn't mean that it can be made to include all sorts of practices that aren't even a part of it.

I don't know you or your practices personally, so I'm trying to speak in generalities...$RW isn't Wicca in my eyes, neither are many of today's popular authors. There's no way to practice the rites of the Wica without initiation. One can only approximate it by using published materials and personal gnosis.

I don't use the term in a degrading way (see my post to gabigabs. I use it simply to mark the difference between what I do, and what others do.

It's that approximation that makes non-Traditional Wicca "neo".
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lkrobinson
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Time:2005-02-09 01:07 am (UTC)
Ok, here's a question. What if someone from a trad taught me, but did not initiate me?
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beltainelady
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Time:2005-02-09 02:01 am (UTC)
Still not Wicca. One does not learn the tradition until *after* initiation. No responsible and honorable elder teaches the traditional lore before initiation...it's not only disrespectful to the tradition but a violation of the oaths taken.
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lkrobinson
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Time:2005-02-09 02:14 am (UTC)
What about the many people whom I'm sure are disrespectful and violate their oaths after some political mess or other goes down? I'm just asking, I want your opinion. With so many factions do you think this never happens?
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beltainelady
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Time:2005-02-09 02:19 am (UTC)
What about the many people whom I'm sure are disrespectful and violate their oaths after some political mess or other goes down?

What makes you think this happens? Political mess? Even after covens disband, for whatever reason, the majority of initiates maintain their oaths. Even the ones who go on to practice something other than Wicca.

Ask me a question about a real situation, don't reach for hypotheticals. I won't get into a straw-man discussion.
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lkrobinson
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Time:2005-02-09 02:50 am (UTC)
O-kay.
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